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				Noticed yesterday all of my platys hanging about above the filter just below the surface, and they are usually always near the bottom around and in the log.. 
Then I noticed one has a very enlarged underside at the front, very swollen, between the erm chin area if you can call it that, to just in front of the ventral fins......

I will try and get a photo, but they are all grouping up and I cant seem to get him.. when i put the net in to try and take him out for a few mins they all dart back down and hide inside the log...

Anyone have any first ideas what it could be form that before I can get round to posting a photo...?

EDIT*
OK have managed to grab a few photos....
Hope this helps anyone identify whats up??

Edited by misterbarlow - 09 August 2008 at 8:58pm

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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Topic: Bloated Platy Posted: 09 August 2008 at 3:52pm
	Noticed yesterday all of my platys hanging about above the filter just below the surface, and they are usually always near the bottom around and in the log.. Then I noticed one has a very enlarged underside at the front, very swollen, between the erm chin area if you can call it that, to just in front of the ventral fins...... I will try and get a photo, but they are all grouping up and I cant seem to get him.. when i put the net in to try and take him out for a few mins they all dart back down and hide inside the log... Anyone have any first ideas what it could be form that before I can get round to posting a photo...? EDIT* OK have managed to grab a few photos.... Hope this helps anyone identify whats up?? Edited by misterbarlow - 09 August 2008 at 8:58pm

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Andy2516 Regular AquaTrax User: no Joined: 08 July 2006 Last Active: 27 May 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 293 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 15	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 7:12am
	have you checked all your water parameters esp nitrate. have they been fed anything different recently?
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Goonerman1 Moderators Marine Forum Moderator AquaTrax User: YES Joined: 20 December 2006 Last Active: Today Posts: 6327 Articles: 3 Member Rating: 390	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 7:39am
	Looks like *she's* about to drop to me!! but it's a little difficult from the photo to see the sex properly and the swimming at the surface is usually a lack of oxygen in the water. Make sure your heater is not up too high and that your filter output is breaking the water surface to oxygenate the water....If need be drop an airstone in and see if that makes a difference Edited by Goonerman1 - 10 August 2008 at 7:48am
	Click here to see my 5x2x2 Marine set up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRZMI34smU
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 8:19am
	All my water levels are ok and my other inhabitants are happy enough and not bobbing at the surface though... I have an airstone plugged into the light feed which is on a timer so comes on a few hours a night with the light... has been like that for months and months and they always been ok up til now... and not altered the heater since install, temp is 24/25c. i havnt fed them anything different myself, but have noticed one of my real plants has taking a beating.. there are some leaves that are just down to the stalks or part munched on.... could it be a blockage of bits of leaves?? How do I sex a platy? I'll try and work it out myself.
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Goonerman1 Moderators Marine Forum Moderator AquaTrax User: YES Joined: 20 December 2006 Last Active: Today Posts: 6327 Articles: 3 Member Rating: 390	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 9:21am
	Here is a photo of a Male Platy and a pretty crude drawing I found online but will help you I.D. the Male Edited by Goonerman1 - 10 August 2008 at 9:45am
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 10:39am
	looks a screenshot from a fish game on a spectrum, circa 1980.. hehe ok thanks i'll see if i can tell... Managed to fish it out into a tub for a closer look.. its eyes l;ook very popped out.. Could it be dropsy?? Managed to get another photo.. Edited by misterbarlow - 10 August 2008 at 11:10am
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Andy2516 Regular AquaTrax User: no Joined: 08 July 2006 Last Active: 27 May 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 293 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 15	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 11:20am
	the scales on the belly look very 'pinecone' to me so you could be correct with dropsy or bloat. Do the scales look as though they are sticking out?
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Andy2516 Regular AquaTrax User: no Joined: 08 July 2006 Last Active: 27 May 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 293 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 15	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 11:23am
	Does it look like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_Dropsy yes I know its a goldfish in the pictures before anyone points it out.
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 11:59am
	Yes they do have a pinecone look to them... Edited by misterbarlow - 10 August 2008 at 12:00pm
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jimthefish Moderators Plant Forum Moderator AquaTrax User: YES Joined: 19 October 2005 Last Active: Yesterday Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6257 Articles: 10 Member Rating: 965	Posted: 10 August 2008 at 12:03pm
	Dropsy. Not very infectious but difficult to treat as there can be several causes from old age to kidney problems. Adding tonic salt to the aquarium can help, if the other fish don't mind it.
	Jim B
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 11 August 2008 at 5:58pm
	He looked almost a gonna this morning, not very healthy looking at all, and when I got in from work it was in the same position as when I left and my wife said its nots moved at all all day... so took the decision to put him out of his misery...
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jimthefish Moderators Plant Forum Moderator AquaTrax User: YES Joined: 19 October 2005 Last Active: Yesterday Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6257 Articles: 10 Member Rating: 965	Posted: 11 August 2008 at 9:07pm
	Probably the best move,even though a sad one.
	Jim B
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manutius Admin Group The Boss AquaTrax User: YES View My Setup Joined: 06 January 2006 Last Active: 03 September 2010 Posts: 16418 Articles: 9 Member Rating: 424	Posted: 11 August 2008 at 10:02pm
	sorryto hear that but it's probably for the best
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 12 August 2008 at 5:06pm
	All the others are still happy enough luckily... EDIT* Having said that, came home today to find another platy on its back at the bottom... Did a water check and Nitrite and Nitrate are ok, but have had a definate Amonia surge.. Checked it twice, and got about 0.5-0.75ppm... So have done an immediate water change of about 30%... Was that the right thing to do? Hope so??? Is this normal to have a sudden amonia spike for no apparant reason? My feeding and cleaning intervals have not changed so why would it suddenly pop up like this after months of being zero....? Edited by misterbarlow - 13 August 2008 at 8:08pm
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misterbarlow Likes To Chat AquaTrax User: no Joined: 28 July 2007 Last Active: 27 September 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 97 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 0	Posted: 21 August 2008 at 6:29pm
	I now have another platy showing the same symptoms...looks all spikey!!
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manutius Admin Group The Boss AquaTrax User: YES View My Setup Joined: 06 January 2006 Last Active: 03 September 2010 Posts: 16418 Articles: 9 Member Rating: 424	Posted: 22 August 2008 at 11:57am
	The water change is the correct thing do yes and these symptoms are likely to be due to the ammonia spikes IMO. Its not uncommon to get mini cycles when you add new gish but as this has not happened I can only imagine its one of a few scenarois. your filter is not big enough or effective at dealing with the waste, what size/type is it, and tank size? you are overfeeding there is something dead and decaying in the tank your tapwater has high ammonia levels Have a look into those
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snowclown Mega Poster AquaTrax User: no Joined: 10 September 2007 Last Active: Today Posts: 3374 Articles: 0 Member Rating: 170	Posted: 22 August 2008 at 2:15pm
	"New Gish"?? Mr Manu?? You and John are exhausting me today!

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manutius Admin Group The Boss AquaTrax User: YES View My Setup Joined: 06 January 2006 Last Active: 03 September 2010 Posts: 16418 Articles: 9 Member Rating: 424	Posted: 22 August 2008 at 2:16pm
	its a good job you are sitting down isn't it
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